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Lot, Abraham’s nephew, was the progenitor of the Ammonites. With a lot PBUH and his daughters. 1 Plot 2 Cast 2.1 The Descendants 2.2 Villains 2.3 Heroes 2.4 Other Characters 3 Sequel 4 Videos 5 Gallery 6 Trivia 7 External links 8 References King Beast andQueen Belle marry and … Young teens were a lot more mature emotionally as well as physically in those days, since they had to grow up fast in order to survive, and everyone considered them adults back then; even in our time, fetishistic attraction to post-pubescent adolescents is known not as pedophilia (which is such an attraction to pre-pubescent children), but as hebephilia (younger adolescents) or ephebophilia (older adolescents). In reply to Why is anyone questioning why by Joseph. Oh, come on! Consequently, these acts of incest are Lot’s punishment for his unseemly behavior. He was intoxicated when the elder sister lay with him, but he was sober when she rose, as is indicated in the Torah by the dot over the word u-ve-komah (“when she rose”).". With verse 27, then, the story reverts to the descendants of Terah. She has several sisters and cousins, one of which being Anthony Tremaine. Jeremiah does promise that Moab will return at the end of days. He could have intervened at any time like he had in Sodom and Gomorrah, or when he spoke to Abraham. The gals were betrothed to be married when they had to flee Sodom, which can only mean they must already have been of a marriageable age; by the standards of the time, that would place them in their early teens at the youngest and it's more likely (considering that they took a while to get to their mountain dwelling and the daughters stated that they had to act soon if they wanted to have any offspring because their father was old enough that he wasn't going to be around much longer) that they were in their later teens or even twenties. Ruben, Gad and Manasseh had the area from the River Arnon to Mount Hermon for hundreds of years. When Lot's daughters said there were no more men left for them to procreate with (Gen 19:31) they must have surely known there were other cities with people. How could the daughters of Lot think God destroyed the whole world. And the firstborn went in and lay with her father, and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. Thanks. As to their legacy, it's true that Ruth the Moabite later did go on to sire David's line with Boaz (and through that lineage, ultimately the Messiah). According to Robert Alter this final episode "suggests measure-for-measure justice meted out for his rash offer. Lot lost his home, wife, and married daughters with grandchildren in the conflagration. What will happen when she hooks on to his heart too? 27 February 2009. Encyclopedia Article: Art: Representation of Biblical Women, Encyclopedia Article: Daughters of Lot: Bible, Page: Girls in Trouble: Women's Agency and Power in the Torah, Copyright © 1998–2021, Jewish Women's Archive. We learn from hence what the best of men are when left to themselves; a good man, a righteous Lot, is guilty of crimes the most shocking; he exposed the chastity of his daughters to the men of Sodom, and now his daughters attacked him, and succeeded, being both with child by him; and this brought about by … The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi; he is the father of the Ammonites of today. Although the Palestinians are in Abraham's lineage, they were not given the same blessings and inheritance as Isaac.Although Isaac was Abraham's second … One of its main justifications for the daughters’ actions is the eventual arrival of the king-messiah, who will arrive through the line of Lot via Moab. 36Thus both the daughters of Lot were with child by their father. The story of incest between Lot and his daughters is found only in Genesis and appears to be the work of a source much later than the Patriarchs. She was a Moabite. God is just, but also merciful. Wow... how many errors could those rabbis fit into their analyses? John Rolfe did have a couple of daughters by other wives. An additional wonder: a virgin does not become pregnant from her first intercourse, while Lot’s daughters, who were virgins, did become pregnant from this initial act (Gen. Rabbah 51:9). No. Wasn't Sodom and Gomorrah mainly inhabited by Canaanites? Kadari, Tamar. When God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of their wickedness, Lot and his daughters fled to … Along the way he's learning what it … Their transportation to Canada and settlement in the colony were paid for by the King. Higger chap. If I were the Rabbis I would've erased all the character flaws of the prophets, erased all the flaws of the Israelites (their are many mentioned in the Bible), made Judaism patrilineal instead of matrilineal (thus giving men access to a wide range of girls), not made so many difficult laws (the law against eating pork makes sense in middle east... the law against eating camel not so much)... Suffice to say if the Jewish people had gone out to change the Bible, it certainly wouldn't be the book that we have today. He was intoxicated when the elder sister lay with him, but he was sober when she rose, as is indicated in the Torah by the dot over the word u-ve-komah (“when she rose”). Genesis Rabbah portrays Lot’s daughters and their choices in a decidedly positive light, while exacerbating Lot’s culpability. Just because they were the result of incest (Deu 23:3) or was it because Moabites and Ammonites carried certain type of seed in them which is why King David upon conquering Moab laid the Moabites down to measure them and those that proved to be giants were killed, 2 Samuel 8:2... Ruth was not an ethnic Moabite; she was a resident or citizen of what continued to be known as the fields or plains of Moab. Their area was overrun by Arabs, so it is possible that Moab dissolved into the Arab population. (had not ben mentioned,a anyody's else in tat narration..., What a "loving father:Saint Lot!!!". The israelite nation was taking on "strange wives" of other nations. Lot and His Daughters … 35 So again that night they got their father drunk with wine, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him; he was not aware when she lay down or when she got up. What I find most incredible is the Islamic objection to the Biblical narrative as it is. Genesis 19:36-38 So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father. The daughters thought that the entire world had been laid waste, as had happened during the Flood, since they saw no living souls wherever they went." Ruth was one righteous woman in Moab. Lines and paragraphs break automatically. We have an instinct against it. The same is true for Lot’s daughters. Two angels arrive in Sodom, and Lot shows them hospitality. Incest is wrong and so is pedophilia. It was released by Walt Disney Pictures and Disney Channel. God never wanted Adam to sin. It is the first installment in the Descendants trilogy. Only two daughters are mentioned in Genesis 19, while Lot and his family are in Sodom. Now Lot went up out of Zoar and settled in the hills with his two daughters, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar; so he lived in a cave with his two daughters. Naomi, the jewish woman who changed her name to Maraname to Mara which means bitter, loved both of her sons and both of her daughters in law. However, the commentary above says, "The daughters’ true intent was not to lie with their father, on whom they had no sexual designs, but to save the world from total devastation. god protect all the blessed prophet from Shaista and sins. Also, the only reason for Lot's decision to live near Sodom given in the actual Torah is (according to Genesis 13:10) that the plain of the Jordan where the cities stood had lots of water and vegetation for his animals; Scripture accuses Lot of no sin other than the sloth of complacency. !left,He had a flock...But he couldn't show his face to them nor to Abraham,so he could continue his promiscuous behavior. The Descendants of Lot 30 Then Lot went up out of Zoar and lineage of our father.” 33 So they made their father drink wine that night. The Ammonites, descendants of Ben-Ammi, were a nomadic people who lived in the territory of modern-day Jordan, and the name of the capital city, Amman, reflects the name of those ancient inhabitants. That would be because there wasn't any. "the written Torah." I'm very interested to this chapters of Lot with his daughters. 37 The older daughter gave birth to a son and named him Moab. The reason for this is because it is through Shem’s seed, the nation of Israel that the whole world must accept and learn from. (Gen 19:30 NRS) Genesis Rabbah portrays Lot’s daughters and their choices in a decidedly positive light, while exacerbating Lot’s culpability. When he pleaded with them not to attack his guests, they didn't say "You've had plenty of fun with our women; now we want our turn with your men." Hori was one of Lotan's sons. I'm starting to think these rabbis must be pulling our legs. In reply to Ruth was not an ethnic by Shoshana. The Moabites were excluded from the Israelites’ worship, but this exclusion was based on their mistreatment of Israel during the time of the conquest and not on the misconduct of their parents. kings David,etc lineage is.THAT story,along with all Rabbis explanations holds a lota WINE but "No water"...!!! But he was an alcoholic. Frightened and exhausted, they come to a cave in the mountains and live there. Ancestors and descendants of Joseph Brant. I don't think that can be used as an explanation for Lot's daughters being innocent. Answer:The descendants of lot is Moab - Iraq. I bet his wife complained to him about it and he killed the wretched woman, claiming she was turned into a pile of salt. How do we know for sure exactly what happened in the cave, once an inebriated in ignorant stuper he could NOT "impregnate" virgin naive,inexperensed,ADOLESCENT daugthers.Lot was an alcoholic, who provided the wine.In Zoar were people!! In reply to What nation came from lit and by Dalya. Did their daddy carried it while running for his own life,and only His! In the first event, in Sodom, Lot was ready to force his daughters, against their will, to engage in sexual relations with the townspeople. "Lot thought that if he were to dwell in Sodom, he could engage in licentious behavior without anyone’s knowledge.". The Torah tells how Lot and his daughters flee the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. The bible is not contradictory some just choose to add to it. The underlying reason for the sympathetic treatment of the daughters of Lot apparently stems from Ruth the Moabite’s tracing her lineage to them and the subsequent descent of King David and, eventually, of the Messiah, from Ruth’s marriage to Boaz. One of Lot's daughters apparently married Seir the Horite (Gen. 36) and named their first-born Lotan, after her father. To make up wild accusations of the kind these rabbis did is to libel him without cause, and for that they again owe Lot an apology. According to the Old Testament account, Lot and his daughters became cave dwellers immediately after their escape. Lot's descendants are the Moabites, from whom Ruth in The Bible was descended from. The Moabites were descendants of Abraham's brother, Lot, who was removed from Sodom along with his two daughters before its sudden destruction (Genesis 19). While Genesis 19:33-35 certainly only mentions the one time, it's entirely possible it's simply indicating how their scheme typically went by telling us about the first time they pulled it and then leaving us to figure (without having to have it all described to us again) that they took turns with their father in the same manner every time they pulled this same scheme after that until they were both certain they were pregnant. why would the Jews wish to tarnish their own reputation? Just as Ruth acted for an ideal when she went down at night to the threshing floor of Boaz, so, too, the daughters of Lot acted altruistically (Gen. Rabbah 51:10). Even before incest was outlawed, that was an awfully cruel betrayal of Lot's paternal trust and violation of their familial bonds to him. Based on this, we know for sure that Lot had at least 4 daughters. Jeremiah does promise that Moab will return at the end of days. From what I can understand, Lot is not considered a prophet in Christian theology, and I don't believe in Jewish either, but he is considered a prophet by Islam, and prophets just don't behave like Lot. Naomi and her family went to the fertile plains or fields of Moab, an area that remained with that name for a long time. 38The younger also bore a son and named him Ben-ammi [son of my people]; he is the father of the Ammonites to this day. He and his two daughters lived in a cave.The firstborn said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there isn’t a man on earth to come in to us in the manner customary in the world. The Jordanians are the descendants of Lot's incestuous relationship with his two daughters after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Many kings had huge harems of women, a huge number of children, and many daughters of rulers inherited royalty through marriage. Even the most prudish cultures have always known that nothing magically protects a girl from getting pregnant her first time, much as she might wish something did. My name is Chrissy Lynn Castro (Letson) on facebook, if you happen to come back to this site and read this, please reach out to me. 36 Thus both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. Pinoy Channel has a Lot of TV Drama Like Descendants of The Sun January 4 2021 Online. Since the Virginia Indians have spent 400 years as a small community of a few families, Debbie "White Dove" Porreco surely descends from great chief Powhatan, Pocahontas' father, and probably shares a lot of DNA with Pocahontas. Lot's daughters are four women, two unnamed people in the Book of Genesis, and two others, including Paltith, in the Book of Jasher.. Only two daughters are mentioned in Genesis 19, while Lot and his family are in Sodom.Two angels arrive in Sodom, and Lot shows them hospitality. Sounds to me like those rabbis owe Lot an apology for their unduly harsh assessment of his character; he didn't offer up his daughters to the would-be rapists without implicitly offering up his own life first. Their area was overrun by Arabs, so it is possible that Moab dissolved into the Arab population. "Lot's Daughters: Midrash and Aggadah." But to my mind, Lot’s two daughters did more evil than Lot’s wife did in looking back when escaping from the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen. 19:30-38). Evil follows man's wicked desires not God's intentions. In reply to
So, let's just talk about by injoyd325. Lot and His Daughters … 36 Thus both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. Being that you are whatever your father is (because he carries the seed), any children born from israelite father's are Israelites, and any other nations dwelling with them must follow the laws, statues and commandments. Lot must have known as to how his became pregnant, there was no other men around and virgen births are not that common in humans. By the standards of the day, even though they had not consumated the marriage, they were legally married, and would have to get a divorce (which is what Joseph planned to quietly do when he found out Mary was pregnant) in order to end the betrothal. Lot, his wife, and two daughters are saved when God sends two angels to make sure they are out of Sodom before the city is punished for their wicked ways. According to the midrashic account, when Lot was commanded to rescue his two daughters from the destruction the angels already foresaw that Ruth the Moabite and Na’amah the Ammonite would descend from them (Gen. Rabbah 50:10). To her credit she did teshuva returning to the Elohim of her ancestors but Ruth was as much a Moabite as Moses was an Egyptian. Moabites were already gone as a separate nation by Nehemiah’s day (5th century BCE). No matter how explanation may be addressing Lot's drama would be,what is clear is the fact that Lot was hospitable,not hostile,like the people in Sodom,wich made him to be "saved". Robert Alter suggests that verse 19:15 ("your two daughters who remain with you") indicates that Lot's two virgin daughters left with him, but that he had other, married daughters who stayed behind with the sons-in-law. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. The Moabites are the descendants of Lot’s grandons born to his daughters from incest. It doesn't automatically follow that every trivial evil by every trivial person is the equivalent. 37 The older daughter gave birth to a son and named him Moab. Thank you so much for this valuable research. During his life, he and his sister Mary had several children of whom some of them gained much fame in the life. 36 Thus both the daughters of Lot were with child by their father. I mean why would they choose to be something that is sooooo hated by so many people and judged( get your Bible out people). He categorycaly raped his daughters!!! In reply to Not "everything" just because by medunischken, You just need to get light of truth and seek and study other sculptures do not just stick to your bible. 1898.) Jewish Women's Archive. "This also explains the midrash... that Lot’s daughters had no wine.". By the early 20 th century, the Nizam’s wealth … In reply to That would be because there by Pinto. In the time of Moses, the fertile plains of the Jordan River valley were occupied by the Amorites, Ammonites and Moabites. According to Jesus (as recorded in Luke's gospel) world conditions at the close of our present age would come to resemble "the days of Lot." Lot and His Daughters … 35 So again that night they got their father drunk with wine, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him; he was not aware when she lay down or when she got up. Who were Lot's descendants? Joseph Brant is today remembered as one of the most influential leaders of the Mohawk nation, skillful diplomat and fierce warrior, but legacy of his life has also been preserved into his descendants. Were there not human living there? Have you ever taken matters into your own hand without … Thus, from a historical perspective, this act was essential for the future advent of the Messiah. God rescued Lot because he had a plan. After the Ancestor tab that you can read about in Using the Ancestor Tab of the GRS; the most commonly used tab of the GRS is the Descendants tab.. Ruben, Gad and Manasseh had the area from the River Arnon to Mount Hermon for hundreds of years. Are today’s English people descendants of Anglo-Saxons? It was only afterwards, out of unspecified fear [whether because Lot thought it also would be destroyed, or because he feared its inhabitants for some reason], that Lot took his daughters to the hills to live in a cave. resident of that area who, like many Israelites did, embraced the local pagan deities. The Jordanians are the descendants of Lot's incestuous relationship with his two daughters after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. In Isle of the Lost: A Descendants Novel, they (except Ariel) have seat among The Council of Sidekicks along with Flounder. Still, with vegetation (including wine grapes) immediately springing up in the rich plains of the Jordan (recently fertilized with ash) and people being able to round up the occasional surviving stray animals now drifting ownerless in the aftermath of the apocalypse, the suggestion that Lot and his daughters needed some miraculous source for their wine (or anything else) is pure fanciful speculation and nothing more. The only Jane Rolfe was the daughter of Thomas. ", A number of commentators describe the actions of Lot's daughters as rape. You should not question God's wisdom. Why is that always skirted around? It is foolish to say that just because something happened, that it was God's initial intent or what God wanted. Drunkenness is no excuse for having sex with your daughters. The daughters thought that the entire world had been laid waste, as had happened during the Flood, since they saw no living souls wherever they went; they did not know that only Sodom had been destroyed. You can say that people have free will, but we do nothing unless it is also part of God's perfect plan. End result of the incest are the Moabites and Ammonites, but also Ruth, in the lineage of David the King, and therefore the Messiah. 36 Thus both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. Lambert Dolphin. February 2, 2017 at 12:00 pm Well that is refreshing. God Bless and thank you for your enlightenment in your truthfull words! It was all part of his greater plan. The Ammonites Descendants of Lot Nephew of Abraham Lot the Father of the Ammonites from Genesis 19. Descendants is a Disney Channel Original Moviethat premiered on July 31, 2015. , Lot's wife turns into a pillar of salt, but Lot and his daughters escape to Zoar, and end up living in a cave in the mountains. The mob refuses Lot's offer, and the angels strike them with blindness, and then warn Lot to leave the city before it is destroyed. If you believe in God's ultimate plan then you must also believe that he wanted Lot to sleep with his daughters. The life of Abraham's nephew Lot---and the record of Lot's descendants---is a subject especially relevant today. The descendants of Pocahontas did not return to the tribe, but lived and married as English colonials, and later white Americans. The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab; he is the father of the Moabites of today. According to the Rabbis, Lot had four daughters, two of whom were married, and two betrothed. This is not true. I was wondering the same thing—— who says a virgin cannot get pregnant during their first intercourse experience? The Moabites were descendants of Abraham's brother, Lot, who was removed from Sodom along with his two daughters before its sudden destruction (Genesis 19). Prince Ben decides to let five VKs to Auradon. THAT is how this " story helps us think logically, moraly, and truthfully? Sorry somehow my previous post was duplicated. The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi; he is the father of the Ammonites of today. Chloe is one of those VKs. Lot lost most of his family during the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. " Jewish Women: A Comprehensive Historical Encyclopedia. The Rabbis observe that a man usually allows himself to be killed in order to save his wife and children, while Lot was willing to allow the townspeople to abuse his daughters. resident of that area who, like many Israelites did, embraced the local pagan deities. In reply to
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Lot was not a good person< by Guest, lol thats not a debate thats a statement with no source, In reply to
lol thats not a debate by Myhealthapedia Asher, 2 Peter 2:7 "...and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked...", Astaghfarillah aLot was blessed only bible is crouptted.